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foreign

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welcome to dual 5 live stream uh I would

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say today's guest is Sean Cahill but

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unfortunately I'm actually quite honest

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not sure what happened I'm I've been

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trying to get hold of him and um

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um I have everything still open hoping

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that he would jump on we had to set the

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time and date and everything seemed to

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be good and ready and for some reason I

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just cannot get a hold of him so I

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apologize it was this was definitely not

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meant to be click bait and I'm hoping

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that he sees any of my messages I've

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sent to him and the phone calls and

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hoping that you'll still jump on and we

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can proceed with the interview

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um I guess I really didn't have anything

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else prepared for any of you other than

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maybe just the open lines to interact

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with any one of you that would like to

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either call in on telegram or ask some

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questions on the regular chat rooms

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whether it would be on YouTube Facebook

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twitch or Twitter so

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yes like I said I apologize I am waiting

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uh for him to to basically just log in

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and uh because everything seemed to be

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just fine and ready and again I'm really

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sorry I definitely not clickbait

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um forgive me so if any of you that are

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on and um just uh would like to ask some

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questions please make sure to have three

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asterisks before the question so that

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that way I know it's meant to uh for me

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and also you can join telegram to

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um just talk to me directly and if and

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when Sean can log in later on today that

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or late not just later on today just

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hoping in a few more minutes but we'll

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see what happens uh that's also using

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telegram is the way that you can talk to

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him as well so

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right now we have a military witness to

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UAP welcome saying here hi Sean I'm

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sorry Sean is not here right now I'm I'm

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really hoping he logs in here soon

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um just like I said with the

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interactions we've had uh there's no way

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you could forget this so um other than

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that

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a chance to watch the one hour long

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interview with David grush that was on

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news Nation I believe yeah and um sorry

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I'm I'm kind of uh frazzled and all over

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the place trying to trying to figure out

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what what was happening so if my facts

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are not coming up very quickly that's

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why but anyway and um just I'm curious

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just to hear your thoughts and uh just

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to see what uh what you all thought I

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know there were some people online that

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had they I don't know if this is what

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they do regularly but it's this YouTube

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psychologists so they read the body

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language and try to kind of give their

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perspective on

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what they think this body language means

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the eye roll the the tight lips all

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these different Expressions that when

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people speak usually have some kind of

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meaning to them so anyway those are

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pretty interesting to watch and but then

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perspective but it's not a Surefire way

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to know oh okay they know for sure he's

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telling the truth though okay they know

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for sure he's telling a lie

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okay we have uh reuben reuben says no

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more he said and always appreciate your

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live streams well thank you I appreciate

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you I'm I appreciate all of you being on

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I might might have with with uh Sherry

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where either the stream dropped or

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um it was early in the day it was

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scheduled to have her on but then she

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couldn't and I had to kind of change

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gears but

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anyway yeah I have I'm basically

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watching the the Skype right now

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um if he comes through there or on the

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phone and uh so we'll we'll see which

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whichever one comes through so if he

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does come on I might just go

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this little will be right back screen

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and hopefully we can get him on and

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uh how Finn says hello hello from from

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twitch hello as well I usually don't

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have people on Twitch uh or that many

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watching by time uh each evening or each

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streams it's usually always anywhere

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between three or four so it's a big

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crowd but anyway it's a platform I've

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been wanting to expand to and

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um have been streaming there also just

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um Reuben is asking what are your

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thoughts on the

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on the Vegas aliens incident have you

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seen the videos curious to hear your

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I I just don't know when it comes to

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seeing I've seen the footage that you're

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talking about and the supposed circles

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left and so on and

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kind of like a like a a craze right

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um of the sudden the news announces

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certain things so they announced

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something happening and then all of a

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sudden you know uh the next thing you

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know everybody's seeing aliens

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everywhere

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um it was in a way almost easier before

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when nobody's talking about it nobody's

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expecting anything and then somebody you

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know puts a story out or tells something

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about a contact it's a little bit more

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believable but right after all the the

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announcements for the interview and all

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these other things happening and the way

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the cop was behaving if you watch the

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footage it was a little bit kind of all

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over all over the place for me but it's

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it's difficult to tell if if this person

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is just hoaxing something you know or to

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let's face it after so many decades of

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social media I think there's a whole

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I think there's a whole a group of

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people that are literally would would do

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anything for clicks and Views and so

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when it comes to your ufology and and

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then you put those kind of people

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together it's it's difficult to figure

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out whether or not they're telling the

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truth so anyway those are my thoughts

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Bradley hello welcome as well labeled

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uh yeah I don't know if you for those of

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you just joining now

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um I'm sorry that I don't have Sean on

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yet uh we had everything set up

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time and and when usually I always have

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my guest call in or I actually call them

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prior to the show establish the

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connection set everything up so that I

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have the screens and the audio and video

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um he didn't answer when when I set out

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the usual call and I kept trying to

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trying and haven't heard from him yet

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like I said earlier I have everything

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open I have Skype ready open and phone

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as well so if he calls I'm hoping to get

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we can just do no open lines for those

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of you interested you can either

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uh call and telegram or you can leave

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leave a message or a question in and you

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have the chats so in order to get

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telegram you have to download that on

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your phone or the internet or I mean um

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or the computer and then of course join

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the UFO Hub channel on Telegram and

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you'll be able to see a voice chat going

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on there right now where you can join

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let's see what else we have here

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yeah it was um I don't know how many of

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you uh had a chance to actually watch

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that uh one hour interview I don't have

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um till they basically uh had the whole

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video available for free because I don't

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have a news Nation but um even then I

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didn't watch the whole thing I posted on

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the telegram group I posted a link to

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the whole 45 minute I think it was 45 I

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mean a long interview and so for those

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interested to watch it you can watch it

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there in uh readily available for for

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people watch I think on Twitter I don't

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know if it's made or made its way on on

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so uh Bradley has a question for Sean uh

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well I can at least read it question for

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Sean I would love to know gracious angle

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how come this guy's story was allowed to

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convenient is crush a smoke stream or

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something else well one of the one of

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the reasons too why I wanted Sean on I

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said I don't know to what extent

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you know there's that connection and I

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wanted them to talk to him about David

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and then have give all of you a chance

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to ask Sean about whatever else of

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course I would love to be able to talk

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to David uh directly but

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um if you're into this kind of stuff

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unless you have connections and other

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things it's difficult to get a hold of

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big like that and even then they're not

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immediately answering any questions or

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want to do any interviews

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so I was hoping to to talk to him about

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about all of this and whatever else he

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I'm just checking also to see if anyone

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is we have some people listen on on

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telegram which is fine because that's

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um sometimes even 20 second delay

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between what's happening and streaming

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on YouTube versus what you're hearing

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there but so don't try to watch on

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YouTube and listen on telegram at the

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same time they'll throw you off

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all of you were able to

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uh to join me today with those that are

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watching and um yeah I just I just don't

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and um I've already texted him and

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called and have left plenty of messages

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I don't know that um sending one more is

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I'm just hoping that if and when he gets

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a chance he gets to see this and uh

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and uh gets back to me but I did want to

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show I did want to start the show on

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um you all know what's going on I didn't

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want to wait and for example he'd be

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7-Eleven and he's still not being live

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and maybe for those who were waiting

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wondering what in the world is going on

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at least you get uh to sit around with

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but yeah I'm glad

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Ruben asked that question about that for

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those who don't know it's basically I

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believe a police officer's camera

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footage of something green

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falling and I'm hoping that that's what

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Reuben is referring to uh if not then

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I'm sorry if we're kind of

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mismatching communication and I'm not

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talking about the same thing but yeah

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the that whole

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the whole event I don't know it's there

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haven't been any more afterwards or at

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least that I know of to where of a

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sudden people start calling in and

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Reporting and going out out on YouTube

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in a video

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um

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you know that I just I would I would

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hate to have that kind of influx or that

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kind of inundation all out there because

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for those that are truly seeking if you

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have those that have been around for a

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long time talking and discussing the

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things that we all have been over the

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years and then you have all that flood

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of all that I guess

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lies or misinformation or click bait or

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whatever you want to call it uh that

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would really suck it'll be it'll be

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difficult to

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kind of for anyone that's new and you

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know and new and joining joining this

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group of ufologists it will be difficult

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to figure out who do I listen to or

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they'll start go down on the path listen

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to to one person after a while only to

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realize that they were being lied to or

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it seems that um

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when you think back on

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crop circles the crop circles have been

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having similar issues too because

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some of these crop circles are just

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um very awe-inspiring when you see them

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it's it's makes you wonder how can

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somebody create something like that

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overnight you know and when it came out

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that at least some of those were created

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by these two guys and using these wooden

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planks and rope and all this other stuff

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you know everyone immediately dismissed

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is like yep it's a hoax all right

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nothing nothing to look at anymore those

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the new better never gave up the

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research but it's that kind of thing

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that I'm talking about and hoping to to

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avoid when it comes to at least ufology

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especially

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whether whether this turns out with

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David to be um a huge nothing burger or

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some kind of planning or whatever at

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least I don't know it at least created

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some Buzz that I was hoping we could all

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um

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nope still checking nothing from Sean

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yet well

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um

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I don't know what is there anything else

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maybe some of you would like to discuss

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I know you'll you'll have joined in and

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so I don't want to waste your time we

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can we can at least spend this evening

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together

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let's see Bradley says edin did you

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manage to watch

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Greece to our presentation at the

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national press club on Monday that

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Antarctica

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accept your process is just like wow

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yeah well

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um no I did not get a chance to watch

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that either but uh let's see let me I'm

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glad I have my

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my web stuff open and let me let's play

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some of that that would be at least

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something worth uh

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all right let's get through all these

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maybe one day I don't know when but I'll

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have a producer where they can just cue

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this in for me and uh we can um

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have a more of a Flawless show but all

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right let me see here

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and

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get in here

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all right what I'm about to

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I'm glad that I had this ready

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there you go but I'm about to play is

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this this is I found this online and

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this was part of that excerpt that

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Bradley was talking about from this uh

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Greer's

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um national press

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that he had going on and so anyway

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let's just see what he has to say it's

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about five minutes long and uh

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it's unmute everything for everyone and

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I'm very happy that you're giving me

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this attention and this information

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attention because it needs to get out to

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the world I will start since we have to

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be brief I have already given all

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pertinent information and supporting

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documentation to the Senate intelligence

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committee and arrow they informed me

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that all of my information will be

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recorded for public record and shared

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with Congress it is that important

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in 2010 I was selected to go down to the

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South Pole station in Antarctica for an

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entire year by Raytheon polish Services

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as an employee of a third party

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contractor for the National Science

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Foundation I function in a dual role

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capacity as Tradesmen and a firefighter

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my responsibilities required me to be

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more informed than most of my crew and

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offered me complete access to the

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facilities

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what I learned from this unique

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experience needs to be shared with the

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entire world the technology at the South

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Pole station certainly can do what it is

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presented as its primary purposes and

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unfortunately much more

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the Ice Cube neutrino detector is

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presented as a passive listening device

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for the purposes of the science as

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presented but I'm going to skip right

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through the chase folks I have provided

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documentation that proves that the

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5160 what they call Doms that are

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embedded in the ice can actually

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transmit at 2047 volts each

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that gives us a long list of things to

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consider it is effectively a

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multi-faceted directed energy weapons

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platform that I will list rapidly a few

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things that it can do

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vehicle detection we're learning that

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these off-world craft on-world craft

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hours or other nations are also emitting

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neutrinos so this makes the South Pole

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station effectively an air traffic

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control station for this new level of

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equipment that nobody's discussing

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in addition to the ability to detect

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neutrinos and the Exotic vehicles

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I provide a documentation that shows

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that this is also a system for faster

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than light Communications in the past

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Gary McKinnon has hacked NASA found the

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off-world fleet the list of captains and

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it's apparent that if we have faster

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than light vehicles moving throughout

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this system we're going to need faster

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than light Communications this is that

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unfortunately I have other bad news

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the season that I was there 2010 to 2011

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we converted from construction to

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operations and maintenance in both the

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elevated station and the detector array

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unfortunately when they first fired it

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up

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that was when we had the earthquakes in

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Christchurch New Zealand there's two

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incidental shots before they were able

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to Target it correctly this is an

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earthquake generating device as well

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this is the weapons of war that we have

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to deal with now and what raytheon's

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hiding

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there's an elf system at the South Pole

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station when I was arrived I was told it

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was off dismantled and completely

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defunct in my work I will rapidly just

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tell you I had to figure out the

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circuitry for certain other repairs and

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I found that this system is in fact

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completely energized up and running and

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being utilized with the other systems

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for nefarious purposes as well

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the atmospheric research Observatory is

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uh

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in what we call the Clean Air sector I

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witnessed myself a very powerful green

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laser shooting out of the top of this

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facility into the cosmos

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this I believe is a secondary form of

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long-range Communications and or a

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defense system

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I am not saying that we need to be

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scared of anything that's out there but

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please understand the military

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industrial complex is happy to invest

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all of your money in alleviating their

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a question of power comes into play for

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all of these facilities that are present

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I assure you I knew what was going on I

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knew the load demands of the facility

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and all of these new items exceed the

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demand for the systems that I was

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presented

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by of doing due diligence and research I

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believe there's either a secondary power

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supply there that is either nuclear that

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uh was there prior to the start of the

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Antarctic treaty which prohibits such

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things and or that there is some sort of

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exotic uh power supply system there that

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just is not in the verbiage of the

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treaty so it negates the responsibility

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I think that pretty much covers it for

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time if anybody if anybody wants to find

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out more I have a website where all this

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information is at for brevity I'll wrap

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it up but you can go to deciphering.tv

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I've documented all this stuff and

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Okay so there was

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I guess that was an excerpt of what was

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discussed at least from uh from this

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gentleman's

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uh presentation but I'm confused um so

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obviously I'm no expert when it comes to

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ham radio operation and I'm also

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although I'm ham radio out you know

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licensed and I've been into it for a

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while I can't say that I know everything

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but

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when he was talking about elf

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Communications that

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obviously he was talking about the other

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exotic stuff which is fine you know and

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how that functions I don't know but elf

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is something that they tried a long time

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ago

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um well 70s if not a bit earlier and

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this was basically it's uh like

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extremely

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believe it stands for it's it's within

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that three to 30 Hertz range and it was

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supposed to basically use the the if I

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if I remember this correctly use the

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Resonance of the earth to basically then

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send signals to submarines and they were

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working on more efficient ways trying to

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figure out

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um you know kind of what you know what

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would be the best way

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um to to communicate without the having

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the submarines come up to the surface

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which would put them in danger and so

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they would have to have this huge tether

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coming up in the back of the submarine

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to then basically pick up uh or send the

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signals but if I'm not mistaken the way

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it works it was so inefficient that

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within like half an hour you would you

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could only really send like two three

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characters

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you know and so

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um from what I understand there's one in

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uh Wisconsin a installation that was

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kind of set up and it worked for a

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little bit there was huge backlash and

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they kind of dismantled it now I think

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you can go there and check it out and

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look at it

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but uh you know other than that

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um you know I don't know why they would

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still have an elf system set up

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especially if we're talking about

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something that inefficient to to

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communicate or do any kind of these

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intricate Communications I would think

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it would have to be something more

554
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:54,059
exotic so Essie's mentioned but why they

555
00:25:06,110 --> 00:24:56,039
have would have Elf in addition to that

556
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:07,669
okay

557
00:25:23,169 --> 00:25:10,380
um Let me give me one quick second I got

558
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:26,810
okay I'm sorry for those uh that just

559
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:29,159
also only listening I'm actually just

560
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,779
reading the text right now trying to

561
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,220
figure out

562
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:34,440
um about how it's looking whether or not

563
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:40,789
um I think it's probably at this point

564
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,380
uh just he looks like he's got some

565
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,299
other things going on at this point I

566
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,460
hope we can maybe

567
00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:49,440
um just reschedule it when he's more

568
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:51,779
ready because I don't know he was just

569
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:54,179
able to respond but I don't know that

570
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:57,779
he's ready to to get on on on Skype and

571
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,440
be seen and talk to us so okay well at

572
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:03,840
least there's there's been a unforeseen

573
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,080
hold up and so that's the explanation I

574
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,640
can give you right now

575
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,600
um just

576
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,460
all different kind of things going on

577
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:13,740
with uh with work and other things he

578
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,659
had we had schedules so again I

579
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:17,039
apologize

580
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,900
um I've got to meet Shawn he's pretty

581
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,700
cool dude and I know he wouldn't do this

582
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:23,039
on purpose so uh when he says he's sorry

583
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,740
I wholeheartedly believe it so

584
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,900
um I hope for those of you watching that

585
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:30,000
we can then reschedule an interview with

586
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,820
them uh maybe some other time I'll see

587
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,919
when he would be available and you'll

588
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:38,159
know when I put up the the live stream

589
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:48,529
um

590
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:54,900
now he's saying he could possibly be on

591
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,840
informed so let me put you all on hold I

592
00:27:01,730 --> 00:27:00,720
apologize for that and um I'll we'll see

593
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:01,740
what

594
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,419
back uh and it will be a no or I'll come

595
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,120
back with him online so uh sit tight

596
00:27:12,240 --> 00:32:50,389
foreign

597
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:55,549
all right uh who almost uh hits uh stop

598
00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:58,980
on the the button for for streaming okay

599
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,740
all right well Sean is on with me I'm

600
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,539
excited to be able to tell you that so

601
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:04,799
we don't have to postpone for another

602
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:08,159
time and uh anyway so let me bring him

603
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:11,399
in and we can get this started

604
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,580
uh here we go Sean how you doing

605
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,760
I'm doing well Edna sorry I'm late oh no

606
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:19,679
problem at all I'm I'm glad you'll be

607
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:22,620
able to still get back to me and um I've

608
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:23,580
actually

609
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,260
um got to try out something brand new

610
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:26,940
today or at least I should say brand new

611
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,100
to me because I was trying to figure out

612
00:33:33,649 --> 00:33:31,740
how can I still bring you in while you

613
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,659
know I'm displaying some screen out

614
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,340
there for somebody to you know to hold

615
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,620
tight and wait for you so anyway

616
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:40,080
um learn something new every day so uh

617
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:42,360
Sean I'm I'm very happy to talk to you

618
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,580
again I know it's been a while it looks

619
00:33:47,289 --> 00:33:46,320
like you cut your hair since I've seen

620
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:47,299
you last

621
00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:51,419
oh no yeah Forest is gonna be destroyed

622
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,860
because you're not just a Momoa anymore

623
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,240
that's a little inside joke that we had

624
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,100
at the conference because uh Sean was

625
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,960
one of the keynote speakers there and it

626
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,399
was great presentation very well

627
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,100
received so again I'm glad you were

628
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,080
there glad we're able to make it uh and

629
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:09,839
and present so Sean the the reason why I

630
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,359
wanted you on today and to basically

631
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:14,820
just from your perspective kind of uh

632
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,200
talk to us about

633
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:18,720
um uh it's a David grush

634
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,139
Cruise yes okay okay uh David grush to

635
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,320
basically just um uh he's kind of new to

636
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,960
everyone in in ufology or at least on

637
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,940
our end here and so

638
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,919
um I'm sorry that that I have to talk to

639
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,659
you or ask you to kind of fill in the

640
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:36,359
gaps but everyone as you've seen is kind

641
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,820
of going crazy the other he's a shell or

642
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:40,859
he's the he's the real deal and everyone

643
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,740
else in support or not basically you you

644
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,960
know me I'm your friend so basically

645
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,879
just wanted to hear from you and what

646
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,560
your thoughts are regarding this this

647
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:51,240
whole thing and I hope you don't mind

648
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,679
that if we take some questions from

649
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,240
people later on

650
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,879
sure okay first let me say that Dave

651
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:58,800
groosh is a friend and a colleague um

652
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:00,780
we've met and we've worked together he

653
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,040
has a long and distinguished career in

654
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,359
the United States military and in

655
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,940
government service and he was tasked to

656
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,520
investigate this phenomenon on behalf of

657
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:11,280
the uaptf and he did so to the best of

658
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,500
his ability now his professional Acumen

659
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,140
is absolutely up to the task for this

660
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,780
he made made the rounds of every aspect

661
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,640
of this that he could uh from my

662
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:23,160
understanding and his conclusions are

663
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,540
conclusions that are held by a great

664
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:26,040
many people who have studied this in the

665
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:29,579
same manner so I find it very strange

666
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:31,079
um the amount of people from within the

667
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,240
community who have a Bonafide

668
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:36,420
whistleblower who is saying I have been

669
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,780
a party to this investigation

670
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,960
yes the evidence is not as um as Earth

671
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,520
shattering that I'm presenting right now

672
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:47,160
however I do know where to look and I do

673
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:49,140
know who to talk to to go and find these

674
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,720
these programs and these these uh get to

675
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:54,240
the bottom of many of these Urban myths

676
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:56,460
and legends that surround all of this uh

677
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,400
this topic so I find that very

678
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,200
surprising the fact is is that amongst

679
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,300
our circles David grush is a highly

680
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,099
respected individual

681
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:06,900
um a professional who who's Beyond

682
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:09,720
reproach and the ad hominem attacks and

683
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,740
things that have been leveled against

684
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:12,599
him have have been

685
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:15,420
frankly silly but I do have to say that

686
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,920
within the last couple of weeks it's

687
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,420
been very telling to me that when I

688
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:20,640
speak to television producers who are

689
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:23,820
interested in in a response such as this

690
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,960
that the pre-call is uh is is excellent

691
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,760
a lot of communication going back and

692
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,200
forth a great deal of pragmatic

693
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,359
understanding but by the time we get on

694
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,720
the call the um the interviewer has has

695
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:39,119
a different slant or you know

696
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,220
re-stigmatizing sticking with the jokes

697
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:43,920
kind of thing so while we've seen a lot

698
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,020
of very serious

699
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,599
um response to this there's still a lot

700
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,640
of the same old same old going on and we

701
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,800
need to break through that to get into a

702
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,520
real investigation about this

703
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:58,020
well you know Sean what I was thinking

704
00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:00,060
when I first saw that and I made the

705
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,960
statement

706
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:03,119
um you know uh on on the show here is

707
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,500
that so if he was a somebody not to be

708
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:09,300
listened to you know

709
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:11,339
um not saying we should put so much

710
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:14,700
faith into Congress but to be to be

711
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:17,220
somebody that has basically

712
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,859
um uh of what is the word called um

713
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,560
deposition by Congress right uh to talk

714
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,020
to talk to him about this to be you know

715
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:28,800
somebody then in uh in intelligence and

716
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:30,780
have all these higher ups basically

717
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,940
listen to him behind closed doors you

718
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,280
know that is the the difference that

719
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,920
it's like okay if he's uh if he's just a

720
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:39,720
nobody why would they spend the time

721
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:42,119
even listening to him you know not

722
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,000
that's a fantastic point

723
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:47,640
right and so the fact is he's passed all

724
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,140
those checks and balances he has

725
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:51,599
testified for hours in front of Congress

726
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,300
he's passed dobster he's the the the

727
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:55,920
Department of Defense has already

728
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:58,380
indicated that his complaints are

729
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:02,220
merited and it's it's frankly ridiculous

730
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,540
and I'll call it out that people are

731
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:05,280
calling out his his current profession

732
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,880
in real estate or the fact that

733
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:10,560
um other aspects of this they're cherry

734
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,300
picking and to try to invalidate the

735
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,920
whole thing frankly I think whomever

736
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,079
this opposition is whether they're

737
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:17,760
independent or organized is Running

738
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:24,530
I wanted to

739
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,260
when you know uh something about why him

740
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,260
right because uh I think forgive me I

741
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:33,060
don't know all the uh I'm not too

742
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:34,380
familiar with all the interviews you've

743
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:36,119
done there was one that I caught where

744
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:37,980
somebody was making the argument about

745
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,220
the 80 years uh nobody coming forward or

746
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,200
something and you very eloquently you

747
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,540
know corrected them you know I forgot

748
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,060
what was it what was it was that news

749
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,760
nation was it CBS I forgot what

750
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:54,000
that was a news Nation uh with Leland uh

751
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,980
okay and and yes I I

752
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:57,839
I know exactly what you're where you're

753
00:39:03,730 --> 00:38:59,220
coming from here

754
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:03,740
um why Dave why now Etc the why now part

755
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:05,940
as you and I know as people who've

756
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:07,320
studied this people have been coming out

757
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,160
and have have unofficially blown the

758
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,619
whistle numerous times

759
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,380
um to my knowledge Mr Gersh is one of

760
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,000
the first people to enact legal

761
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:20,280
whistleblower protections and position

762
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,760
himself properly to ensure that what he

763
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,740
presented is not invalidated due to

764
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:28,200
leaks or hearsay or entertainment value

765
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:32,160
first so first of all why Dave grush

766
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:33,900
because he's the first person to my

767
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:36,380
knowledge that has had the proper Acumen

768
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:39,060
bonafides and has carried out an

769
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:40,380
investigation for the United States

770
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,119
government and who understood The

771
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:45,359
Whistleblower protection act so I think

772
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:47,099
that this was a very rare set of

773
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:49,800
circumstances but I also think that Mr

774
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,440
Mr Grouch is a crowbar the fact is is

775
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,440
there are people out there who have

776
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,260
information on these programs who don't

777
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,599
feel that they would be protected under

778
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,520
these whistleblower acts and things if

779
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,500
they were to come out with the the

780
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:06,480
evidence that everyone assumed Mr gross

781
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:08,820
was going to going to present

782
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:13,200
so we need our our legislators and our

783
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,240
government to to ensure

784
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,400
beyond a shadow of the of a doubt that

785
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,619
regardless of the the level of

786
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,119
understanding of a program whether it's

787
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,800
a special Access program whether it's

788
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:24,900
something that's just

789
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:27,420
um TS SEI or something like that

790
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:31,020
these people if they feel the same way

791
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:33,060
that Mr grush does that a

792
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,820
a a Injustice has been done to the

793
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:37,980
American people in the world at Large

794
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:40,619
these people are waiting to have those

795
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,730
you know Sean Also regarding that I was

796
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:49,140
uh one thought that came to mind because

797
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,000
because there were so many other

798
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,640
whistleblowers that come forward at the

799
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:55,560
work kernels that were you know in

800
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,020
government you yourself prior to this

801
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,240
you know but I guess the difference and

802
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:03,240
unless I'm mistaken about you because of

803
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,700
his connection and because just recently

804
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,460
Congress listened to him and all of that

805
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,380
stuff that was basically pushed through

806
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:12,300
the Senate and all that you know these

807
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,820
different builds you know regarding you

808
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,740
know the Tic Tac and all the new new

809
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:19,380
changes now that came about you know um

810
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:21,180
I think that's why I'm more focused on

811
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,619
him as opposed to every other

812
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,839
whistleblower that has come forward uh

813
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:26,460
prior to him

814
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:29,160
oh I I would agree and I would I if I'm

815
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:30,660
wrong I look forward to being corrected

816
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,800
but

817
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,560
um we have in in David grush an official

818
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,660
whistleblower not just a person who may

819
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:39,060
have called a radio station or a um a

820
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:40,980
television show or a journalist while

821
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:43,560
those are whistleblowers in spirit

822
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:46,920
they're not protected and that means

823
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,980
that the legislative process has nowhere

824
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,599
for them to fit in and they're they're

825
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:54,240
very easily discarded and I think we've

826
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:55,560
seen that over the course of 80 years

827
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,000
and I think that's why it's so pivotal

828
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,400
that people like Mr Grouch do enact

829
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,380
these protections and and fall under the

830
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:04,740
the legal guidelines of them

831
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,619
well um Sean Let's uh I guess let's get

832
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,660
into some of these questions that have

833
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,400
um you know have people submit them and

834
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,200
see they might ask something that I

835
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,880
don't know how to

836
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,200
um but as always

837
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,240
um everyone that follows this channel uh

838
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,579
knows please keep it respectful um if

839
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,560
it's something that uh

840
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,720
um you know you're trying to be rude

841
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:26,700
about some things uh obviously I would

842
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,339
not ask the question but everything else

843
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:31,800
obviously is welcome as long as it's

844
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,760
respectful so please on um telegram or

845
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,640
on the chat rooms themselves submit your

846
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,800
question if you're in chat uh please put

847
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:43,260
three asterisks before the question so

848
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,480
that way I know it's meant for Sean if

849
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,520
you are in telegram simply raise your

850
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,800
hand and I'll bring you in that way and

851
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:51,359
Sean will be able to hear you and talk

852
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:53,820
to you that way so while we're waiting

853
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:55,079
for

854
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,880
that was done prior it says uh this was

855
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:01,619
submitted

856
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,819
by by Bradley so I'll ask again I had

857
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:07,800
read it earlier it says question for

858
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:10,980
Sean uh I would love to know uh grush's

859
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,339
angle uh how come this guy's story was

860
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,319
allowed to be public seems a bit

861
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,319
convenient is groosh a smoke screen for

862
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:23,690
um I would discard most of the language

863
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,940
used in that and use different language

864
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:28,680
um there's a lot of language indicative

865
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,599
of an opinion in there

866
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,920
um I don't believe Mr Grouch has an

867
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:33,839
angle I believe as I said earlier Mr

868
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,819
Goose is a professional who carried out

869
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,980
an investigation that he feels needs to

870
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,560
be brought to a a wider audience that

871
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:42,119
the checks and balances in place were

872
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:45,240
not being attended to and that Mr Grouch

873
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,180
is a patriot uh Mr grushes as I will

874
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,700
keep repeating a professional and so

875
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,680
when he saw the need to say something he

876
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,119
did and he did it the proper way through

877
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:55,859
the proper channels so that now it's in

878
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:03,230
okay I'm sorry yeah I know you can't see

879
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,859
me I'm I'm just kind of skimming through

880
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,359
and seeing what's what's the next

881
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:08,220
question I apologize

882
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,720
um just a little bit of multitasking

883
00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:10,920
here

884
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:18,370
Okay so

885
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,250
um I suck at reading things fast so it's

886
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,640
difficult for me to figure out whether

887
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,440
or not this question I should be asking

888
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,720
he's saying um

889
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,359
uh Sean uh just be real for a second

890
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:35,640
what kind of protection can be offered

891
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:38,339
when dealing with a group which has

892
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:40,740
Limitless funding in your opinion is

893
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,420
there a strong enough mechanism

894
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,680
and then I'm not aware of the group of

895
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:48,060
Limitless funding that he's talking

896
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:49,619
about

897
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,200
um that's an assumption too far for me

898
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:54,540
so I I think that what I what I would

899
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,859
say is the same thing I would say to

900
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,900
anybody is that we have to operate with

901
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,540
the tools that we have within the system

902
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,160
that we have

903
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:04,380
so far going outside the system has

904
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,980
proved to be a bridge too far for all of

905
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,380
us so I do believe that utilizing the

906
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,780
system as we are is the right way to go

907
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:14,099
right

908
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:17,400
and so would there be if any because I

909
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:21,000
know I saw it was a while back that I

910
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,500
could be mistaken I don't know if you

911
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,200
know if you've known this but there was

912
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:28,140
something about his lawyers dropping him

913
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,940
um at that time and I was like oh that

914
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:31,560
would suck like especially if you need

915
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,240
them right now at this moment can you

916
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,220
speak a little bit about that

917
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:37,440
I can and I want to apologize to anybody

918
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,300
that may get a sense that I'm uh I'm on

919
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:41,400
this crusade to correct folks or to

920
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,800
correct language but uh Mr grush's a lot

921
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,900
of your lawyers did not drop him the

922
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:47,640
lawyers that uh had come alongside that

923
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:49,500
he had hired to help him through the

924
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,480
process of accessing The Whistleblower

925
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,040
protection ensuring that everything was

926
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,260
in the right conduit basically achieved

927
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:57,060
Mission accomplishment for him and

928
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:58,440
therefore there's no reason for him to

929
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,540
continue paying him I can assure you

930
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,339
that Mr Grouch has legal representation

931
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,440
that group was there for a specific

932
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,119
purpose

933
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:08,760
great thank you for clarifying that and

934
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:11,579
so what what would be basically

935
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:13,980
we've I don't know how if this would

936
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,220
fall in that same category but just it

937
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:18,900
doesn't matter which

938
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:19,859
um

939
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,540
okay

940
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:26,220
I'm not trying to put him in the same

941
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,099
cat category of you know let's say

942
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,720
um oh goodness what is that guy that's

943
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,819
been in England for the longest time he

944
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,859
had that website released all that

945
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,900
information

946
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:42,470
right and so it was in Assange and

947
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,619
Snowden and we see some other

948
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:45,839
whistleblowers what happens to them when

949
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,900
they come out uh what's to be expected

950
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,119
now during during this I mean did he

951
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,000
reveal something that would Merit more

952
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,579
of Australian response from from whoever

953
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,760
is in you know above him or I can't

954
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:01,500
speak for the for the motives or intent

955
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,440
of Mr Snowden or Mr Assange

956
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,900
um or how hard they tried to utilize the

957
00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:09,240
right the right manner to uh to blow

958
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:10,859
their whistles

959
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,359
um but it would seem to me that based on

960
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,700
where they are uh one being in Russia

961
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:16,140
and the other being either in custody or

962
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:17,640
in an embassy I don't recall where he is

963
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,079
anymore

964
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,260
um they didn't use the right way and

965
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,540
they turned it into a public spectacle

966
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,579
once again just like the last 80 years

967
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,560
when that's done regardless of the

968
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,000
amount of frustration or the inability

969
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,520
to it to chip away this iceberg

970
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,520
it has failed every time before

971
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,200
um so

972
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:39,839
I I can't question their intent um Mr

973
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,140
Grouch is not is not exposing a um a

974
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,660
portfolio of America's uh assets and

975
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,880
capabilities and things like that he's

976
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,880
brought up the fact that when tasked

977
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,680
with an investigation to get the bottom

978
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,960
of a subject he uncovered something that

979
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,119
looked like it went a lot deeper

980
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,859
um this needs to be opened up and and

981
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,900
needs more investigators brought in we

982
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,400
shouldn't be while we should support Mr

983
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,680
Grouch we shouldn't Focus solely on what

984
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,839
he said a whistleblower is there to

985
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,880
alert all of our attention to something

986
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,400
else it's not to call the authorities to

987
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:13,800
The Whistleblower only to get an initial

988
00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:16,380
report of there's a fire over there

989
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,119
there's a threat over there something's

990
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,339
going on over there and that's when the

991
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,160
rest of us respond to that threat so or

992
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:25,680
that issue not to paint it as a threat

993
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:29,339
so we're we're back to this kind of

994
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,260
square one thing where we have a chance

995
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,180
to do this right this time and it's

996
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,920
really important that we don't

997
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,619
conspirate conspiracy I'm not going to

998
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,359
come up with the word but turn it into a

999
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,720
conspiracy we have the tools to do this

1000
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,819
right

1001
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:47,760
well you know especially especially you

1002
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,520
know during this time when Luis

1003
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,500
Alexander first came out

1004
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,839
um I could be mistaken and I hope that

1005
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,700
I'm you know because I tried my best to

1006
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,800
know what the hell I'm talking about but

1007
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,900
I'm not too much into this other s

1008
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:03,000
aspect of things where you know the nuts

1009
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,099
and bolts so and I haven't been in a

1010
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,619
very long time so forgive me if my my

1011
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:10,500
memory is lacking at that point but and

1012
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:12,839
initially they were all also denying

1013
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,780
that that program existed and then the

1014
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,640
Pentagon came out and said okay well we

1015
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:19,740
did have a program we spent 22 million

1016
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,480
dollars you know and it seems to me

1017
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,579
maybe something similar to this would

1018
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,500
come out because they did come out and

1019
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,660
denied this but then it will come out

1020
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:29,880
and like okay well maybe we do have

1021
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:32,819
aircraft and you know beings bodies and

1022
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,740
so on you know and and I don't know I

1023
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,480
guess it's it's that game that they

1024
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,760
always have to play because that to me

1025
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:40,380
when I first heard it I was like okay

1026
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,020
like what's the big deal only later I've

1027
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,319
realized then of the the ranking and why

1028
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:49,140
for example him as opposed to Colonel

1029
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,940
Corso or any of the other ones that have

1030
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:52,740
come before him you know and such

1031
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:54,780
yourself you know or Luis you know

1032
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:57,780
Alexander so you know why why not just

1033
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,140
as much of a big fuss about that and so

1034
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:03,420
um I think I hope I hope this is that

1035
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,099
little wedge in the door they'll never

1036
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,200
be removed and they'll always be staying

1037
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:09,480
open until somebody opens the door all

1038
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,180
the way you know or or we just stay at

1039
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:14,220
this uh stalemate I don't know what else

1040
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:15,480
to call it

1041
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,880
I think we have a foot in the door I

1042
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:19,859
really do and I think we have it in a

1043
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,960
way that we never did before I think

1044
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:23,579
it's a very um

1045
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,000
it's a very very fragile moment for for

1046
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,119
folks who really care about ufology

1047
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,640
because if I believe that if if pushed

1048
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,280
too far that door will close

1049
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,900
but I believe that there are folks on

1050
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,280
the other side of that door that want to

1051
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,079
have this conversation want to open it

1052
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,240
albeit slowly

1053
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:43,680
right

1054
00:50:48,849 --> 00:50:46,560
and so um for those of you just turning

1055
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,859
tuning in we're a bit later than usual

1056
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:50,579
excuse me

1057
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,579
um we I'm still glad that Sean was able

1058
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,380
to make it and and be able to do this

1059
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,079
interview but uh we're doing Q a right

1060
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,300
now so if you have any questions in the

1061
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,920
chat please make sure to put three

1062
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,020
asterix's before the question so that

1063
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:06,059
that way I know it's meant for Sean if

1064
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,619
you're on telegram just simply raise

1065
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:09,420
your hand and I'll Pat you through and

1066
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,599
you can ask your question directly so

1067
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:14,880
we're in that process right now so now

1068
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:16,920
it would be the time if questions you

1069
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:19,559
have ask them now but like I said please

1070
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:23,339
keep them respectful and so uh Sean what

1071
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,559
uh I know this is like you know I don't

1072
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,480
want to turn this into like hearsay but

1073
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,160
have you had a chance to talk to Luis

1074
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,920
and Luis alizando and kind of talk to

1075
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,839
him about this and what his thoughts are

1076
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,359
if you can share any

1077
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,760
well it's it's uh not something I've had

1078
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,319
to call him to ask for his response or

1079
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:42,119
anything we've um we have both worked

1080
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,980
with Mr Grouch

1081
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,559
um we're both aware of of his Acumen and

1082
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,119
his Bona fides

1083
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:51,839
we've talked about the public response

1084
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:55,020
um we've talked about uh

1085
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:55,800
yeah

1086
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,440
ways that we could um

1087
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:00,240
how do I put it ways that we could help

1088
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,700
people who are jump into a lot of

1089
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,040
conclusions based on

1090
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:07,740
on apparent logic

1091
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,260
you know where Mr Goose comes from why

1092
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:12,000
do we trust him those are questions that

1093
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,619
we get a lot so we've discussed a little

1094
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,359
bit of that because for us it's quite

1095
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,579
easy when you service somebody and get

1096
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:19,500
to know them and or have worked with

1097
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,819
them

1098
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,200
um

1099
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,940
it's very easy to track through the

1100
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,559
network who the uh the people with

1101
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:27,119
Integrity are and who are not because

1102
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:29,099
word gets around

1103
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,140
um but that's not something that the

1104
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:33,660
general public would would enjoy so

1105
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,220
therefore all we have to show them is

1106
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:36,960
his record and his record is

1107
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,530
so Sean I have a question from Paul

1108
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,079
Pauline is asking is it possible they

1109
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,180
are having to come out because it is

1110
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:49,920
oppressing the government for public

1111
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,970
uh the question was if it's is it

1112
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:57,599
possible I suppose it is I don't have

1113
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:59,220
any knowledge of that through through

1114
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,319
channels that I'm privy to

1115
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,960
um I think a lot of us have have seen

1116
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:05,880
um a great deal of rumor

1117
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:09,240
um out there from uh high on the shed uh

1118
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,319
from the

1119
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:12,960
um from Israel and there have been some

1120
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:15,660
other folks of um a rather High stature

1121
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,359
who have have made claims

1122
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:20,880
um I haven't seen anything on my side of

1123
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,700
the fence indicative of

1124
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:25,619
um any kind of contact like that

1125
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,400
pressing a a geopolitical issue

1126
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,680
um is it possible absolutely we're

1127
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:34,200
dealing with a very very widespread

1128
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,640
phenomenon and you know and I don't mean

1129
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,380
to be silly I do understand what one of

1130
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,240
your one of your um listeners said

1131
00:53:41,809 --> 00:53:40,559
earlier when they met when they said be

1132
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,819
real

1133
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:44,640
um it's possible I I would love to know

1134
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,380
what is really at the bottom of all of

1135
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:51,170
um so I think you might have actually

1136
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:52,980
answered this question already it's from

1137
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,140
Bradley again basically asking in your

1138
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,359
opinion do you think Grouch testimonial

1139
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:00,240
will turn into something actionable

1140
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,220
I do I do

1141
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:04,079
um I'm getting very positive Rumblings

1142
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,280
uh back from from the Beltway in my

1143
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,319
networks that uh this is being taken

1144
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,780
incredibly seriously and the fact is is

1145
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,640
a lot of people just aren't talking

1146
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:16,079
about it openly they're they're

1147
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,059
gathering information and they're

1148
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,700
preparing for the next step

1149
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,680
oh yeah

1150
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,480
okie doke

1151
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:26,520
um so

1152
00:54:32,329 --> 00:54:29,660
when do you think he will continue

1153
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,339
speaking on this I mean to speak on this

1154
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,559
or was this this one-time interview is

1155
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,780
that is that pretty much it or will the

1156
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,640
kind of come out and talk about it more

1157
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:40,980
or or like a lot of the interviews that

1158
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:43,140
I've often seen it's always the initial

1159
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,520
interview but then it's like the same

1160
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,079
story but different networks because

1161
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:48,540
they're asking to retell it uh can you

1162
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,770
um I I can't say as uh what Mr grush's

1163
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:56,760
plans are going forward I I believe that

1164
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,579
like a lot of us he will use his voice

1165
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,980
as long as it is useful

1166
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,540
um a lot of us don't want to stick

1167
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:05,400
around repeating the same story over and

1168
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,540
over again

1169
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:08,220
um you and I had to talk about that at

1170
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:09,720
Ozarks

1171
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:13,140
um about maintaining a uh a neat you

1172
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:15,300
know don't create a need for yourself I

1173
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,619
don't want to be a pundit you know I

1174
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,760
don't want to be here in 10 years you

1175
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:19,200
and I having the exact same conversation

1176
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:21,300
about this time you know or anything

1177
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,440
like that

1178
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,420
um so I think a lot of that will come

1179
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:26,880
down to how Mr gruce is treated

1180
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:28,380
um I know he has a lot of Courage I know

1181
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,640
he's willing to stand up to a lot of

1182
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,900
nonsense

1183
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,640
um his home has been broken too he's

1184
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:34,440
been surveilled

1185
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:36,059
um and and he's had the courage to make

1186
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,260
it through that stuff

1187
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,119
but sometimes the court of public

1188
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,700
opinion can be a little bit uh harsher

1189
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,619
than the realities of War for some folks

1190
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,900
so it wouldn't

1191
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,579
um I wouldn't it wouldn't be shameful

1192
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:49,740
for Mr Grouch to to say that he said

1193
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:51,720
enough that I I believe that with his

1194
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:53,579
courage that he'll stick around for as

1195
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,980
long as he's useful

1196
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:58,140
right well you know I believe you

1197
00:56:03,410 --> 00:55:59,940
usually have a very inquisitive crowd

1198
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,420
but uh um I've had this one dude I guess

1199
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:06,000
he's on Twitch he's just been blowing it

1200
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:08,040
up about all kinds of negative things so

1201
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,859
I'm like I can't honestly knowing you I

1202
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,200
don't want to even entertain it um you

1203
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,599
know it's like I do want want them to

1204
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:17,339
ask whatever they can possibly ask about

1205
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,780
if you're going to be rude about it I'm

1206
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:21,359
sorry it's the wrong place for that

1207
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,339
um this other question I have and I

1208
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:24,900
don't know what this is in reference to

1209
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,660
if you can answer it uh or maybe give me

1210
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:29,460
a little bit more light this uh Robert

1211
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:33,300
says is Sean aware that the 1933 Italian

1212
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:36,839
UFO recovery case was debunked 20 years

1213
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,540
ago by cisu and Eduardo Russo

1214
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:44,160
I'm aware that that's some people's

1215
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:46,500
opinion I don't share that opinion A lot

1216
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:48,059
of people claim to have debunked a lot

1217
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:49,859
of things a lot of people claim to have

1218
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,800
debunked the Tic Tac they didn't

1219
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:54,240
um a lot of people have complained to

1220
00:56:59,690 --> 00:56:56,460
debunk many things

1221
00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:59,700
um I don't share that opinion so

1222
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,380
okay

1223
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,359
let me see here

1224
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:05,640
um also

1225
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:08,460
wanted to uh wanted to ask about

1226
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,119
I guess when it comes to a group like

1227
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,640
does he have any kind of protection at

1228
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:16,500
all or is there only protection he has

1229
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:18,780
is the lawyers you know um because I

1230
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,579
know he said the break-in and all this

1231
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:22,140
other stuff I mean is there anything

1232
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:23,819
provided for him or is this just

1233
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,559
basically like nope you're you're on

1234
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,839
your own now

1235
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,520
um I wouldn't discuss the capabilities

1236
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,619
of his his protection

1237
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,240
um that would erode his operational

1238
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:35,700
security and that of his family so um

1239
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,040
please pardon me if I let that one go by

1240
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:40,880
sure

1241
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:44,819
okay uh I'm yeah I'm just again I know

1242
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:46,500
you can't see me I'm just trying to read

1243
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:47,940
through some of the some of these

1244
00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:54,230
um

1245
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,980
what I what I was you know I was earlier

1246
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,839
I was mentioning and there were so many

1247
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:06,420
different videos out there of um these

1248
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,040
analysts that are supposed to be

1249
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:10,680
psychologists and and the the kind of

1250
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:12,300
reading and body language and all these

1251
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:14,460
different things and I don't know if

1252
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:16,920
that's helping or not you know but at

1253
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:19,500
least for some reason more than usual

1254
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:23,280
was on my on my on my feed you know on

1255
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,140
YouTube you know and a lot of times I

1256
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:27,180
can't figure out if that's them trying

1257
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:29,160
to push something you know or if it's

1258
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,859
just truly the algorithm thinking hey

1259
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,480
you might be interesting and seeing this

1260
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:35,640
you know but it was it was kind of funny

1261
00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:37,700
because to me it's almost like

1262
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:41,819
watching uh human like uh it's like

1263
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,859
watching human lie detectors you know

1264
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,260
but a human can make a mistake of what

1265
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,420
that tight tight lips you know what they

1266
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,700
mean what what eye roll means in that

1267
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,079
particular context and all these other

1268
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,520
things so

1269
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:55,140
um I don't know there's so many people

1270
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:57,240
that started reading into so much stuff

1271
00:59:00,589 --> 00:58:58,380
immediately

1272
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,599
um I think you can only add to to the

1273
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:02,880
distractions like I'm not trying to make

1274
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:05,099
this whole thing just sound milk toast

1275
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,559
and hey everybody let's just all calm

1276
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:09,599
down and see where this goes but you

1277
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,180
know this is a huge step considering how

1278
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,160
long I've been into this

1279
00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:16,440
um for you know for it to make the news

1280
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:19,559
I I personally for somebody that just

1281
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,420
would love for people to know more or be

1282
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:24,240
interested more in ufology uh it was a

1283
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:25,980
great thing to have happened you know

1284
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:28,740
and I was just saying also earlier that

1285
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,079
it was just it might add all these

1286
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:32,880
different people might now add so much

1287
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:35,880
uh mud to everything that you know you

1288
00:59:39,309 --> 00:59:37,619
can't figure out the truth even if you

1289
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,319
want to

1290
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,240
well allow me to say that um

1291
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:44,819
I spent the majority of my career uh

1292
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,579
refining the interview and interrogation

1293
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:49,500
techniques and before anybody gets up in

1294
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,720
arms about the word interrogation it's

1295
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:53,760
it's it means to ask questions and it's

1296
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:55,980
an interview is what you do with a a

1297
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:57,720
victim or a witness and an interrogation

1298
01:00:02,270 --> 01:00:00,299
is what you do with a suspect

1299
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,280
um so I don't want them to jump to any

1300
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,319
conclusions on the strength of that word

1301
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,200
however we utilize body language we

1302
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,260
utilize facial expression we utilize eye

1303
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,900
movement and and things like that to try

1304
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:14,520
and determine

1305
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:17,700
um part of the Baseline of a suspect

1306
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:21,059
However the fact is is that those are

1307
01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:24,180
not infallible techniques and many times

1308
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,460
it's not until after an investigation is

1309
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:28,140
complete and all the evidence is laid

1310
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,880
out on the table and even sometimes when

1311
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,520
the the court case is completed that you

1312
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,559
get to compare the results to the

1313
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,200
initial Impressions and that's why we

1314
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,180
know that it's it's not an exact science

1315
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:42,119
unless you are following specific

1316
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:45,660
um a specific road map of interview and

1317
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,640
interrogation

1318
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,619
um it's hard to set up the Baseline for

1319
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:52,020
that to make those determinations so a

1320
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:53,700
lot of times just watching an interview

1321
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:55,500
it gives people views on the internet

1322
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:57,180
and it gets people on shows and it's

1323
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,980
good for a talking head and an opinion

1324
01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:01,500
piece but the value of that for

1325
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:05,099
determining someone's intent is is very

1326
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:06,780
low in a professional sense

1327
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,530
um in the near future or uh just the the

1328
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,339
past acquaintance would that be

1329
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,260
basically it for you

1330
01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:21,660
uh that really remains to be seen if if

1331
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:23,460
Dave needs help that I can provide I

1332
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:24,540
would definitely be there for him we're

1333
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:26,460
not um we're not pals we don't we don't

1334
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,900
socialize

1335
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,400
um we live very far away from each other

1336
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:30,900
but if if there was something I could

1337
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:32,520
provide to help him I certainly would

1338
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:39,349
um I have uh I'm gonna ask the last

1339
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:41,640
question first and then the previous one

1340
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,420
after that uh Gigi Gigi is asking Sean

1341
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:47,280
have you ever worked with an extra

1342
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:50,040
tourist uh no with an experiencer

1343
01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:54,359
abductee to validate them if so who

1344
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:56,280
what was the last part to validate them

1345
01:02:02,109 --> 01:02:00,000
to validate them yeah and it says if so

1346
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,119
who

1347
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,319
I wouldn't say that I'm a person that

1348
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,200
can provide validation to anybody

1349
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,540
um I've had my own experiences I've had

1350
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:11,099
a lot of conversations with other people

1351
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:12,900
that um that call themselves

1352
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:15,780
experiencers and um tried to find

1353
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:18,059
commonality amongst those I've read a

1354
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:20,280
great deal of things but I think a lot

1355
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:23,579
of times we we and until this is solved

1356
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:26,520
with with uh Authority

1357
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,640
um the validity comes from from within

1358
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,500
um and it comes from each other I think

1359
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,299
we seek out that validity amongst the

1360
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:35,520
community and eventually we have to come

1361
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,380
to terms with our own experience on our

1362
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:38,640
own

1363
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,700
um of course we're all waiting for the

1364
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,920
for the big answers from Authority but

1365
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,599
for a lot of us it really doesn't change

1366
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:47,460
the fact that

1367
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:49,559
um these experiences aren't necessarily

1368
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:51,720
as linear and and don't make as much

1369
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:54,119
sense for each person so for those of us

1370
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,099
like myself who don't have a definitive

1371
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,559
message that crosses all the boundaries

1372
01:03:02,809 --> 01:03:00,240
of those experiences it's hard for me

1373
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:02,819
when there are people who are presenting

1374
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:05,099
an entirety of experience and a message

1375
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,660
and a Dogma or or advice because my

1376
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,460
studies are are looking at all the folks

1377
01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:14,760
doing that and very few of them are um

1378
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:18,540
are are comparable in their continuity

1379
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:22,020
and data and things like that so

1380
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,940
um I'm one of those folks left wondering

1381
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,280
too how do how do we validate these

1382
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,450
um Sean I don't know how much you had to

1383
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:34,319
do with this but this question is from

1384
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:37,980
edu Edward uh says what happened to to

1385
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,190
um

1386
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:45,119
like a lot of folks I watch that from

1387
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,380
the outside

1388
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:48,720
um there was a period of time when uh I

1389
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:50,520
was considered for a position at ttsa

1390
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:52,740
but that position dissolved around the

1391
01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:54,540
same time that

1392
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:56,520
um the breakup happened

1393
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,440
um I don't have all the details on it I

1394
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:01,260
do know that um that everybody has has

1395
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:04,140
maintained uh a good relationship

1396
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,359
but it just didn't seem like

1397
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,579
um if I may in my opinion that the road

1398
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,119
map that was presented at ttsa

1399
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,980
was going to get us where we needed to

1400
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,420
get

1401
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:17,839
um as far as historical change

1402
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,059
that's my opinion I don't I don't hoist

1403
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,220
that upon anybody else it was

1404
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:25,920
disappointing for me uh but I do believe

1405
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:28,260
that Luis salazando Chris melon at all

1406
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,740
made the right decision by by moving out

1407
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,500
of the infotainment aspect of this and

1408
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:36,000
going straight for the jugular of

1409
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,470
uh another question from Bradley is

1410
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:44,280
asking in your opinion do you think

1411
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,339
groosh testimony will open the door uh

1412
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:49,440
for there to come

1413
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:52,740
will open the doors I guess for others

1414
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:55,140
to come forward or will the treatment of

1415
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:58,740
him now determine this

1416
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:01,799
doesn't be a mixture of both

1417
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:04,140
um a great number of people have

1418
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:07,079
have signaled an interest in initiating

1419
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:09,900
The Whistleblower protection process I

1420
01:05:12,829 --> 01:05:11,160
don't want to say too much more than

1421
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:12,839
that

1422
01:05:17,930 --> 01:05:16,200
um I think a lot of people on on um in

1423
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:17,940
in that pool so to speak have been

1424
01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:20,700
actually emboldened by the negative

1425
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,400
um treatment that he has received and in

1426
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,440
fact it has just given them more cause

1427
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:28,020
to stand up

1428
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:29,640
I don't want to get you in trouble but

1429
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:32,280
this other person would he possibly be

1430
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,220
have something to do with uh with error

1431
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:37,020
the well there's no way that I would

1432
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:38,760
that I would give a tidbit to identify

1433
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,160
anybody who was who is uh currently a

1434
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:42,960
protected person

1435
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,760
um but let me let me say that there are

1436
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:46,559
more than one

1437
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:47,640
okay

1438
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,400
yeah no I I've made my feelings very

1439
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,280
clear about when when NASA came out with

1440
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,200
whatever they came out with I was like

1441
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,119
seriously like I was telling him I said

1442
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,520
this is the the whole anomaly and

1443
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:01,680
anomalous anomaly and all of that you

1444
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,140
know I was saying that that's our modern

1445
01:06:08,750 --> 01:06:06,960
day swamp gas stories you know and uh

1446
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,760
and they're like oh we're only just

1447
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:10,559
moving forward from today we will

1448
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,940
analyze say I'm like what about

1449
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:13,680
everything else that's been recorded

1450
01:06:19,010 --> 01:06:15,720
since anyway don't want to get into it

1451
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:19,020
again but um there was uh the same guy

1452
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,760
that was it was part of era I keep

1453
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:22,260
forgetting his name he's probably the

1454
01:06:25,329 --> 01:06:23,880
the director

1455
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:25,339
um

1456
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,619
that sounds familiar do you I mean is

1457
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:31,200
there more that he wants to share than

1458
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,500
than we've heard so far

1459
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:36,539
you know it's

1460
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:39,900
from the outside I think a lot of people

1461
01:06:43,789 --> 01:06:42,299
we make a lot of assumptions I think a

1462
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,799
lot of us myself included have been

1463
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:45,359
Guided by movies we watched and stuff

1464
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:47,339
like that but

1465
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:49,859
um we've got it we've got a person in

1466
01:06:54,289 --> 01:06:51,660
mid-level government in mid-management

1467
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:54,299
that has been assigned a task and

1468
01:06:57,529 --> 01:06:55,859
usually those tasks are based on their

1469
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,539
skills and their Acumen but we're

1470
01:07:02,329 --> 01:07:00,000
looking at a subject where there are no

1471
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,339
recognized Personnel very few I should

1472
01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:03,839
say you know

1473
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:05,819
Lou Alexander a few other people that we

1474
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,619
can point at that are recognized

1475
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:09,420
government officials that can be

1476
01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:12,299
considered subject matter experts

1477
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:13,559
um

1478
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:15,660
so it's

1479
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:17,339
sorry my dog's trying to get out of the

1480
01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:18,780
house and he's breaking my train of

1481
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:19,619
thought

1482
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,480
um that's all right

1483
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:23,520
can can you help me can we revisit the

1484
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:25,799
question for a second

1485
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:28,680
uh I was basically uh Kirkpatrick I was

1486
01:07:32,029 --> 01:07:30,599
saying would there be a chance or is

1487
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,039
there something that he might be coming

1488
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:34,400
out with that he's not saying now

1489
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,859
well yes but we I think what we have to

1490
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:39,720
remember is is this he has he has

1491
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:40,920
guidelines

1492
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:46,559
receive orders per se or a or a mission

1493
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,500
tasking you're given the the confines

1494
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:51,960
the guidelines where you can operate who

1495
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:53,640
who you can operate with and you know

1496
01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:55,260
what your budgetary concerns are and

1497
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:57,299
things like that

1498
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,539
until we know where Mr Kirk where Dr

1499
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,359
Kirkpatrick looked because if let me put

1500
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,520
in as a law enforcement individual when

1501
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,440
we're when we're first learning how to

1502
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,880
um collect evidence one of the things

1503
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:10,500
that we discuss is an elephant in an

1504
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,900
envelope and we say and and what that

1505
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:14,339
does is it proves the concept that if

1506
01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:16,980
you're looking for an an elephant you're

1507
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,380
not going to open envelopes in someone's

1508
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:21,120
house and look inside for that elephant

1509
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:22,440
you're not going to look in a bedside

1510
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:24,359
drawer or in the bread box or something

1511
01:08:30,169 --> 01:08:28,380
like that now that said when when a

1512
01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:30,179
person is given an authority to conduct

1513
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:32,040
an investigation they are given the

1514
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,540
guidelines and boundaries of that

1515
01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:36,239
investigation and so I'm sure that Dr

1516
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:38,160
Kirkpatrick did his due diligence within

1517
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,620
those boundaries the question was and I

1518
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:42,000
know this sounds silly to a lot of

1519
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:44,279
people was the information that he

1520
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,640
needed available to him and wasn't able

1521
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:48,960
to get to him and I have serious

1522
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,060
questions about

1523
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:53,040
and I think the big breakdown we should

1524
01:08:59,209 --> 01:08:55,739
focus on is that Mr Grouch was was an

1525
01:09:02,329 --> 01:08:59,219
advisor of the uaptf the uaptf was

1526
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,339
succeeded by Arrow if Arrow did not

1527
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:04,739
receive all the file cabinets and email

1528
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,500
archives and evidence that the uaptf had

1529
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,020
why are we saying that it was succeeded

1530
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,380
by it why if Mr Kirkpatrick had Mr

1531
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:15,120
grush's information

1532
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,060
and if the United States government in

1533
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:21,120
his believes that his IG complaint has

1534
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:23,400
Merit again

1535
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:25,859
why weren't we seeing that so I don't

1536
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:27,420
want to place the onus on whether he's

1537
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,359
telling us something or not I do want to

1538
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:31,920
give him the benefit of the doubt of of

1539
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,440
his guidelines but it it seems clear

1540
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,440
that he should either know more or he

1541
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:39,120
was not informed and I think that's what

1542
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:42,779
we need to to deconflict now

1543
01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:45,779
yeah you know especially I think um I

1544
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:47,580
feel like especially online there's

1545
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:50,580
several different groups to where you

1546
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:52,679
have the very beginners that are just

1547
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:54,900
like what those UFOs because I've

1548
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:57,719
actually met a few deal quite literally

1549
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:00,300
now like I'm like yeah welcome to planet

1550
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,040
Earth in case you didn't know this

1551
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,560
before and then there's there's been you

1552
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:05,760
know others have been like well I've

1553
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,800
been listening here and there and I mean

1554
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:09,120
quite literally there's like five

1555
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:10,920
different groups and it's like

1556
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,380
when it comes to these different

1557
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:15,600
um you know because there was I was

1558
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:19,080
thinking okay maybe I didn't like what

1559
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,480
NASA was doing and all of that I thought

1560
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,520
it was complete BS but maybe someone

1561
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:25,380
with a different mindset to them that

1562
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:27,000
would be mind-blowing and then that

1563
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:28,560
would get them going or something but

1564
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:31,739
anyway I don't know I was I'm still I'm

1565
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:33,420
still not forgiving

1566
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:37,440
there's a big disparity between

1567
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:39,060
but first of all I mean I guess I don't

1568
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,920
want to say top tier or give anybody a

1569
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:42,540
rank system but you've got people who

1570
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:44,100
have experienced and remember their

1571
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:45,960
experiences of this phenomenon who have

1572
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,860
a very

1573
01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:49,920
definitive interest in the subject

1574
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:53,219
um you've got people that may or may not

1575
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,380
have experienced the phenomenon but have

1576
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,120
an intense love of the subject whether

1577
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:00,000
it's uh you know just a science fictiony

1578
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:03,900
love of it a curiosity or or whatever

1579
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,320
um there's a whole lot of our population

1580
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:10,800
who pardon my my mild bad language

1581
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,159
doesn't give a damn about this subject

1582
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:16,380
um and I I've I've run into a lot of

1583
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,940
those folks and I think a lot of us who

1584
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,640
maybe in ufology maybe in a bubble

1585
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,520
sometimes forgetting well it's it's true

1586
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:26,159
that a lot of constituents don't care

1587
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,020
about this

1588
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,719
um I don't know why yet I have I have my

1589
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:32,460
suspicions

1590
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:33,300
um

1591
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,679
but

1592
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:37,679
we have a we've got a place like NASA

1593
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:39,060
National Aeronautics Space

1594
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:41,640
Administration or civilian

1595
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,580
um arm of our of the you know the

1596
01:11:50,689 --> 01:11:47,159
scientific aspect of our government

1597
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:50,699
who knows what inside that organization

1598
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,380
I don't know how secrets are kept there

1599
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,120
you and I have watched probably hundreds

1600
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,159
of hours of of International Space

1601
01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:58,320
Station and space shuttle footage and

1602
01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:00,360
we've we've become familiar with the

1603
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:02,219
fact that a lot of anomalous objects

1604
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:04,020
have been caught on camera that the

1605
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,600
cameras are then cut off that there's

1606
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:08,159
never anything discussed about it

1607
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:10,140
there's only one sense surrounding

1608
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,300
people having exposed green screen and

1609
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:15,360
Guy wires on on certain things none of

1610
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:16,860
these things help

1611
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:20,040
uh any of us trust NASA as an

1612
01:12:24,890 --> 01:12:22,380
Administration but I think we're back to

1613
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:24,900
that what does the administration know

1614
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:27,480
and how do the people individually feel

1615
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:29,100
about this subject because it seems like

1616
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:30,600
you you can be presented all the

1617
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,480
evidence and go nah it's not real

1618
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:35,760
um you know as some people go that was

1619
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:38,100
debunked and and first of all I'm an

1620
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:39,960
investigator I never received any

1621
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:42,960
training in bunking or debunking

1622
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,300
um pardon the sarcasm but we we carry

1623
01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:47,040
out investigations we collect evidence

1624
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:49,140
we make officers observations and

1625
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,060
actions in a report and then leadership

1626
01:12:55,610 --> 01:12:52,980
takes that evidence and makes a decision

1627
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:55,620
so I I throw the whole debunking thing

1628
01:13:02,689 --> 01:12:58,800
out of the window that's armchair stuff

1629
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,699
right okay well Sean um if there's

1630
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:04,500
anything else you would you would want

1631
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:07,560
to add please do other than that I think

1632
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:09,060
um you know I want to thank you for

1633
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:11,820
coming on and and talking about this uh

1634
01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:14,760
you're the only one that that I knew

1635
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:17,880
that I could reach out to who's somewhat

1636
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,060
close to groosh but I'm not sure if if

1637
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:23,100
somehow if you don't mind if there is a

1638
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:25,320
connection there or you can forward

1639
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:27,420
forward him my Channel or something see

1640
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,460
if he would be interested come forward

1641
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:31,199
um I don't know if there's any legal

1642
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,239
repercussions for him doing that right

1643
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:36,000
now but I would love to talk to him too

1644
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:38,699
I'll certainly pass the invitation along

1645
01:13:42,649 --> 01:13:40,440
um I can't vouch for for what the

1646
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:42,659
results may be but allow me to say to

1647
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,280
your audience and to the folks that are

1648
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:47,159
listening that um you know you you may

1649
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:49,080
have seen me um a little more on guard

1650
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:51,480
tonight uh and you may have seen me be

1651
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:54,480
uh be rather bold and how quick I was to

1652
01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:56,100
shoot down

1653
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,980
um the way some folks may have been

1654
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:00,719
um stating something or not but the fact

1655
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:02,940
is is we are in a historical period

1656
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:05,699
going forward and a lot of the people

1657
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:07,260
that don't want this to go forward are

1658
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:09,000
going to mine all of these interviews

1659
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,380
and they're going to be checking all of

1660
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:12,360
the commas and making sure the t's are

1661
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:13,980
crossed and looking for any issues that

1662
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:15,239
they can cherry pick against this

1663
01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:16,500
subject

1664
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:18,179
I think all of us are on the same side

1665
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:20,219
of the fence we want to know what the

1666
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:21,960
truth is we want to know what was

1667
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,300
collected over the last 80 years and we

1668
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,679
want to start somewhere fresh where we

1669
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:28,560
can all learn together so I think less

1670
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:30,840
debunking at this point and more

1671
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,820
constructive investigating is the way to

1672
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:35,040
go for all of us so I want to say thanks

1673
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:38,580
Adnan thank you well you know uh I guess

1674
01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:40,440
you know is this one of those

1675
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:43,020
it's one of these uh small you know

1676
01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:45,420
privileges but that everyone can achieve

1677
01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:47,159
which is like you know I'm not trying to

1678
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:48,840
keep constantly pushing the Ozark

1679
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:51,000
conference but if they just came to to

1680
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:52,679
the Ozark conference you were all over

1681
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:54,600
the place anyone and anyone could talk

1682
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:56,340
to you and they have been talking to you

1683
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,620
you know and then later on you know a

1684
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,719
different different rooms where just

1685
01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:02,820
there's alcohol we all sit and talking I

1686
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:04,679
mean I don't drink but for those to do

1687
01:15:09,790 --> 01:15:07,560
do for hours and hours I mean two three

1688
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:09,800
o'clock in the morning you know and so

1689
01:15:14,530 --> 01:15:12,300
uh for someone who has something to hide

1690
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,540
you would not be that off guard

1691
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:16,560
you know what I mean you and I spent

1692
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,120
days together

1693
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,679
um and we had some very Frank

1694
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:21,840
conversations that you know and we we

1695
01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:23,460
caged a lot of the things we talked

1696
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:24,900
about to make sure everybody in the room

1697
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,179
understand when we were speculating you

1698
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:29,699
know presenting opinion right uh or fact

1699
01:15:34,669 --> 01:15:32,280
but you're you're absolutely right I

1700
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,679
would I've never been to another UFO

1701
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,239
conference I haven't spoken at another

1702
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:38,820
one but I think I will be returning to

1703
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:40,140
the Ozarks conference whether I'm

1704
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:41,880
speaking or not because I had a

1705
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:43,560
fantastic time those were really good

1706
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,199
folks the monetization and the nonsense

1707
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,199
was at an absolute low level and the

1708
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:52,320
community and and in informative

1709
01:15:57,050 --> 01:15:55,140
networking was was incredible it was a

1710
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:57,060
great feeling being there well because I

1711
01:16:00,350 --> 01:15:58,199
think of course everybody else was

1712
01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:00,360
awesome yeah I'm glad you were able to

1713
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:02,580
make it because I think it takes down

1714
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:06,179
that barrier between okay a person that

1715
01:16:10,669 --> 01:16:07,980
has watched all kinds of videos from you

1716
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:10,679
and has formed an opinion as opposed to

1717
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:12,659
somebody that okay I've heard about you

1718
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,820
let me go talk to you that's a big

1719
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,800
difference you know because then all

1720
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:18,000
these different attacks are like

1721
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:20,820
basically formed about 10 videos watched

1722
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:23,219
you know and then each video made you

1723
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,260
know gave you know got him to respond

1724
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:27,120
emotionally in a different way and then

1725
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,100
of course that comes as a form of attack

1726
01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:31,679
as you know but if they want simply just

1727
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,719
for example came to an event where they

1728
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,060
knew it was and even then uh you didn't

1729
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:37,920
even need to have a ticket to come and

1730
01:16:41,149 --> 01:16:39,540
talk to you because the whole point of

1731
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,159
that conference is that everybody is

1732
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,960
there you know you can't get into the

1733
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:44,400
Hall but all the speakers were outside

1734
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,440
the hall and meeting with everyone and

1735
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,260
anyone anyway you know and so that right

1736
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:50,880
there would would give them that access

1737
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:53,219
to say okay I have some questions can

1738
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:55,080
you clarify this or not you know because

1739
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:57,000
that was the whole reason the sole

1740
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,219
purpose you were there you know and and

1741
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,500
then to just kind of also to engage from

1742
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:02,880
you it's like okay

1743
01:17:07,970 --> 01:17:05,640
what kind of person are you because even

1744
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:07,980
even like this you still can't sense the

1745
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:09,960
same same thing than when you are in

1746
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:12,300
person you know and and then you're more

1747
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,040
relaxed you know not just you but I'm

1748
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:16,080
talking about everyone and then you know

1749
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:17,940
I mean look at the conversations I mean

1750
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,460
what was that the group of what five six

1751
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:22,560
seven I can't because I know there were

1752
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,600
however many were there and the the the

1753
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:26,880
suite was open anyone anyone could just

1754
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:29,159
walk in and out they saw all the

1755
01:17:32,689 --> 01:17:30,540
different people there and then just

1756
01:17:34,970 --> 01:17:32,699
everything under the sky was discussed

1757
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:34,980
and talked about you know and so that

1758
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,659
would have been a time for them to meet

1759
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:38,520
and and talk but instead it's like I

1760
01:17:42,169 --> 01:17:40,199
don't understand this part like earlier

1761
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:42,179
today it's just you know just

1762
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:43,620
immediately attack you know attack

1763
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,540
you're this you're that it's like okay

1764
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:47,520
you're not helping you know if we're

1765
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:49,620
really trying to come to to the bottom

1766
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:52,400
of this it's not helping because

1767
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:55,020
there's no conversation there's just who

1768
01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:56,580
has a better insult at the end of the

1769
01:18:01,010 --> 01:17:58,679
day you know it's not a conversation and

1770
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,020
so that's that's not a mindset of

1771
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,120
somebody to want to get to the bottom of

1772
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:05,280
it I'm talking for those that are acting

1773
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:07,080
that way online especially towards some

1774
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:08,580
of these figures that are that are on

1775
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,900
the internet

1776
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:12,239
if I can say I I'm not sure if it was

1777
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:15,000
you and I or forest and I who discussed

1778
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:17,460
um the idea that this is a Highway and

1779
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,659
at the end of the highway there's a

1780
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:20,400
destination we call a disclosure and

1781
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,500
what disclosure means is some is an

1782
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:24,000
answer that we can all wrap our heads

1783
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:26,040
around that we all understand and that

1784
01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:28,140
we can move forward with

1785
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,640
um I think that a lot of us myself

1786
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:31,800
included take exits early off of that

1787
01:18:36,530 --> 01:18:34,500
freeway at little exits of outrage where

1788
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,540
we find a portion of this that bothers

1789
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,699
us so much that we we kind of let that

1790
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,320
grow around us and become our mission

1791
01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:42,719
but I think it's important to get back

1792
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,100
on the freeway with that information

1793
01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:45,840
because unfortunately there's bigger

1794
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,580
challenges ahead before that before

1795
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,960
disclosure

1796
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:51,360
um right we've we have things to talk

1797
01:18:55,490 --> 01:18:52,860
about things to understand together

1798
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:55,500
about Consciousness and history and and

1799
01:19:01,490 --> 01:18:59,820
and physics and and eschatology

1800
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:01,500
um that are definitely tied into this

1801
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,540
subject it is not just as simple as nuts

1802
01:19:07,810 --> 01:19:05,520
and bolts and real or not real

1803
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:07,820
um and the sooner we move to real

1804
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,679
uh let's all agree it's real and then

1805
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,719
start fighting over everything but right

1806
01:19:18,410 --> 01:19:14,880
let's leave behind whether or not we're

1807
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:18,420
trying to figure out if it's real or not

1808
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,940
well Sean thank you again I really

1809
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:22,140
appreciate it

1810
01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:25,020
and everyone else watching I'm glad you

1811
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:27,659
were able to tune in uh Sean ended up uh

1812
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:29,400
being able to come on and I'm glad he

1813
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:31,560
did and talk to us and answer some of

1814
01:19:36,050 --> 01:19:33,540
your questions so

1815
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:36,060
do you own research uh watch things that

1816
01:19:40,370 --> 01:19:37,800
are out there learn as much as you can

1817
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:40,380
and for those that actually wanted to

1818
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:42,420
learn and came to ask questions I'm glad

1819
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:44,040
you did and I hope you got the answers

1820
01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:46,380
you were looking for or at least that

1821
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:48,540
gave you another breadcrumb to follow up

1822
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:51,900
for next time but uh anyway thank you to

1823
01:19:56,689 --> 01:19:54,540
all of you for joining us today Sean

1824
01:19:59,149 --> 01:19:56,699
thanks and you guys have a good day and

1825
01:20:00,110 --> 01:19:59,159
I'll catch you next week Wednesday at 7